tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12931688.post4166472293934167495..comments2024-02-16T11:34:41.473-08:00Comments on Permaculture, Perennial Polycultures & Resistance: Demand Crash! — A response to Holmgren's "Crash on Demand"Norrishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02790917341588271564noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12931688.post-77936429513886161032014-10-12T22:04:00.336-07:002014-10-12T22:04:00.336-07:00"Many good people have adopted voluntary simp..."Many good people have adopted voluntary simplicity, dropped out of the global economy, and built regenerative local systems. While this has immense value for the adopting individuals, and often ripples out to benefit the wider community, it hasn't put a dent in the destruction by the larger financial system. New people are born or assimilated into the culture of consumption faster than people are dropping out."<br /><br />This is very true. However, my experience in the environmental movement (in Finland but I suspect the same holds true all around the so-called developed world) is that activists speak to other activists, spend time with other activists and live and work among other activists and this is the most important reason why nothing ever really changes. <br />I see the same thing happening with people building regenaritive local systems. The new systems are either "marketed" to like-minded people only or marketed in such a way so as to only appeal to like-minded people. <br />If someone truly wants to engage new people in something, whatever it may be, it is pointless to talk about it in the internet/ blogs/ Facebook/ email that only reach the same minority. You have to go out there, door to door. If you have something positive that people want, you have a chance of reaching new people. I think this far more likely than getting new people to become radical activists or support radical activists. <br /><br />So I agree with Holmgren on this one but I would like to emphasize the need to actively go out there, get out of your comfort zone and meet new people, from all walks of life. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12931688.post-38080313153053839932014-06-16T15:01:25.293-07:002014-06-16T15:01:25.293-07:00Thanks for your nice comment, Ted I'm glad yo...Thanks for your nice comment, Ted I'm glad you found my response interesting! I have a lot of posts to write up about the tropics...sooner or later. So do keep checking back. :)Norrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02790917341588271564noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12931688.post-87326486479448454382014-06-10T13:56:22.889-07:002014-06-10T13:56:22.889-07:00Norris!
This is excellent writing! I'm so glad...Norris!<br />This is excellent writing! I'm so glad I read the response page under David's original article page, that led me here.<br /><br />Looking forward to reading more on your move to the tropics, and great to see you started the DGR Hawaii blog.<br /><br />Kia Kah!<br />Ted Howard<br />Nelson, New ZealandTed Howardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10120433652983909267noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12931688.post-70057479484401679612014-02-11T10:17:03.423-08:002014-02-11T10:17:03.423-08:00"Hope is a dangerous commodity" - Thucyd..."Hope is a dangerous commodity" - ThucydidesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12931688.post-64920744351226588922014-01-26T18:30:13.607-08:002014-01-26T18:30:13.607-08:00In reality, any push we can give will probablyjust...In reality, any push we can give will probablyjust be a nudge, not resulting immediately in precipitous crash. That rocky period of disruption (which, really, we've already entered) is the time for aboveground activists to really push for local sustainable cultures.Norrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02790917341588271564noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12931688.post-83612511676525602172014-01-26T02:22:35.563-08:002014-01-26T02:22:35.563-08:00Crashing is an interesting word. Does it mean hitt...Crashing is an interesting word. Does it mean hitting a brick wall? If so that would be interesting, to say the least, in the United States where 1-2% of the population is engaged in agriculture. Yes, there are probably some definitional issues with that number but any significant shift to local food production is problematic. In the short term, something as basic as seed availability would become a big problem if vegetable seed sales after the 2008 mess are any indication.<br /><br />Trying to get people to voluntarily opt out on any meaningful level is a non starter and it's probably not even necessary given the fragility of the developed world's food production and distribution system. Had the US drought of 2012 led to a complete crop failure of wheat, soy, and corn, one wonders about the impact. How would futures contracts been fulfilled? How would the processed food industry have been affected? The feedlots? <br /><br />How will the impact of droughts be affected by the increased depletion of the Ogallala Aquifer where the the depletion between 2001–2008 is approximately 32 percent of the cumulative depletion during the entire 20th century. <br /><br />Perhaps we should be hoping for a serious nudge rather than something precipitous. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com